So good afternoon, everyone. I had a brief but very productive trip. I
had a chance to meet with the Saudi foreign minister, with King Salman,
and then, ultimately, with Crown Prince Salman; discussed the issues
that relate to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States as they
pertain to what I was trying to accomplish on this trip, right.
The context for this conversation was the efforts that the Trump
administration is making to create a stable and peaceful region here in
the Middle East. So our conversations spanned a wide range of those set
of objectives. We certainly talked about our effort to counter Iranian
malign influence, but we spoke about all the issues in the region,
ranging from the continued efforts of Hizballah; we talked about the
fact that the – the work that was done in Sweden on Yemen was good, but
we need both sides to honor those commitments. To date, the
Iranian-backed Houthis have chosen not to do that.
We spoke about human rights issues here in Saudi Arabia – women
activists. We spoke about the accountability that – and the expectations
that we have. The Saudis are friends, and when friends have
conversations, you tell them what your expectations are. And I think the
Trump administration has made clear our expectation that all of those
involved in the murder of Khashoggi will be held accountable.
So we spent time talking about human rights issues, the Khashoggi case
in particular, and we also talked about Syria and the President’s
decision to withdraw our 2,000 uniformed personnel from Syria and what
that means and how we will continue the campaign against ISIS/Daesh, and
the other important interests that the United States has in the region
and that the Saudis share as our partner in those efforts.
With that, I’m happy to take any questions.
MR PALLADINO: Let’s start with Nick.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary —
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yes, Nick.
QUESTION: — in the President’s tweets this morning about Turkey,
he referenced the idea of a 20-mile safe zone but didn’t say much
beyond that. Could you elaborate a little bit on what he meant? That
tweet’s caused some confusion.
SECRETARY POMPEO: Only to say that we continue to have
conversations with all the players involved in our goal. Remember the
objective is to create a political process that will lead to the Saudi[1]
people having the opportunity to create a nation for themselves – a
unified Syria where the people of Syria have the opportunity to create a
good outcome for themselves. So it’s in that context that we address
all of the various issues there, whether it’s the Iranian influence
there, the Russians’ activities. And in – with respect to those tweets,
the issues along the Syrian-Turkey border in the north, we continue to
have conversations. I spoke with my foreign minister counterpart
yesterday to have conversations about what that will look like. The
President’s aim there, I think, is the one that we have been talking
about for some time, which is that we want to make sure that the folks
who fought with us to take down the caliphate in ISIS have security, and
also that terrorists acting out of Syria aren’t able to attack Turkey.
Those are the twin aims.
And so the precise methodology which by we will achieve that – that
security for both of those elements along that border – is something
we’re still working on. And so if we can get a space – call it a buffer
zone, others might have a different name for it – if we can get the
space and the security arrangements right, this will be a good thing for
everyone in the region.
MR PALLADINO: Andrea.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary —
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yes, ma’am.
QUESTION: — thank you very much for doing this. Can you
elaborate on what your expectations are regarding Khashoggi and what the
crown prince responded and whether you believe it’s credible that this
plot could have been hatched and carried out without his knowledge?
SECRETARY POMPEO: Our expectations have been clear from early on:
Every single person who has responsibility for the murder of Jamal
Khashoggi needs to be held accountable. And the crown prince – I spoke
about this with King Salman as well – they both acknowledged that that
accountability needed to take place. They talked about the process
that’s occurring inside of the country, both the investigative process
and the judicial process that’s taking place, and they reiterated – it’s
not new – they reiterated their commitment to achieve the objective,
the expectations that we have set for them.
QUESTION: Did he still describe it as a rogue operation?
SECRETARY POMPEO: I’m not going to talk about the details of the
conversations. They – the expectations that we’ve set for them are very
clear. We’ve spoken about this a great deal and their continued
commitment to continue to pursue all those connected is something that
they have not wavered from since the first time we’ve had conversations
with them.
QUESTION: (Off-mike.)
MR PALLADINO: Okay. Barbara. Barbara next, actually. Let’s go to Barbara.
QUESTION: Sir, in terms of the discussions you’re having about
the arrangement along the Turkey-Syria border, there have been some
rumors that that might involve an Arab force that’s acceptable to both
sides. That’s one of the things on the table. Can you say anything about
that? And also, can you say anything about the women activists in jail?
Did you get any commitments about whether they might be released or how
they’ve been treated or what the situation is with that?
SECRETARY POMPEO: We spoke in particular – we spoke about a
number of human rights issues, certainly including the women’s rights
activists. Their commitment was that the process – the lawful, judicial
process here would take place, they would do so quickly, and that they
would continue down that path. They understand the concerns that some
have and they are going to do their best to communicate as appropriate.
So – and your first question was about Syria and the Arab forces.
QUESTION: There’s a – one of the things out of the discussions was an Arab force.
SECRETARY POMPEO: I don’t – there’s lots of things under
discussion. There are lots of possibilities about how we might achieve
the end state that I described in my earlier response.
MR PALLADINO: Okay, Matt.
QUESTION: Yeah, I just wanted – you had mentioned that you talked
with the Turkish foreign minister yesterday. You talked to him again,
after Saturday, or what was that – you told us —
SECRETARY POMPEO: I spoke with – no, I’ve had one conversation on this trip with him. The day —
QUESTION: Okay, so there wasn’t a second one?
MR PALLADINO: We —
SECRETARY POMPEO: There hasn’t been a second one.
MR PALLADINO: We did the release, so you’ve got the readout of that call, correct?
QUESTION: Yeah, I do, but I just want to make sure there wasn’t a second call.
SECRETARY POMPEO: There’s only been a single call.
QUESTION: Especially because of the threat that appears to be
implied in the President’s tweet about devastating Turkey economically
if the Kurds are hurt. Can you offer any —
SECRETARY POMPEO: The administration has been very consistent
with respect to our requirement that the Turks not go after the Kurds in
ways that are inappropriate. If there are terrorists, we’re all about
taking down extremists wherever we find them. I think – I think the
President’s comments this morning are consistent with that.
QUESTION: What did he mean by economic devastation?
SECRETARY POMPEO: You’d have to ask – you’d have to ask him.
MR PALLADINO: Okay.
SECRETARY POMPEO: I – we’ve applied sanctions in many places
around the world. I assume he’s speaking about those kinds of things,
but you’d have to ask him.
Yes, please.
MR PALLADINO: Adam.
QUESTION: Yes, thank you. Two brief ones for you. I was hoping
you could elaborate just briefly on how U.S. and Saudi in these talks
are specifically working to combat Iran in Yemen and Syria. What do they
expect? What are you communicating back? And I was also hoping you
could tell us a little bit about the nature of your conversations with
the President on the trip. What has he communicated – expectations – and
what have you communicated back?
SECRETARY POMPEO: You mean with President Trump?
QUESTION: Yeah.
SECRETARY POMPEO: During the trip we’ve talked about lots of
things, many of which have nothing to do with the Middle East. The world
goes on while I travel. So we’ve had conversations about —
QUESTION: Has he had specific expectations for this trip specifically?
SECRETARY POMPEO: Oh, yes, we had – yes, but most of those we had
conversations about over the weeks that preceded this trip as we were
laying out those conversations. So I’ve certainly provided him updates
on the conversations I’ve been having on the trip as well, but in terms
of the expectations and the things we’re hoping to achieve, it’s been
pretty consistent with what all of the United States Government agreed
to along with the President in preparation for the trip. What was – your
second question was about Iran?
QUESTION: The first was —
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yeah.
QUESTION: — hoping you could just characterize the conversations
you just came from in terms of Iranian action in Yemen and Syria, what
the Saudis are expecting, what you’re communicating back.
SECRETARY POMPEO: So this all – step back and this all starts
with extremism in whatever form you find it. In this case you have
Iranian-backed Houthis, Iranian-backed Hizballah, Iranian-backed Shia
militias in Iraq, Iranian-backed forces in Syria, and in each case the
root of the challenge stems from the revolutionary nature of the Islamic
regime and their efforts abroad. And so they’re focused on doing the
things they can do. I talked to – I shared with the crown prince and
with the king, if I recall correctly, my conversations to help Iraq as
well. We want an Iraq that is independent, sovereign, and how it is we
might do that – there are lots of economic things we can do to assist
Iraq in getting back on its feet, which will permit them to be more
independent and have more control and be more sovereign. I shared with
the crown prince my conversations when I traveled to Iraq.
So we had a chance to have a wide series of conversations about how it
is – America’s continued effort on the economic and financial front – to
attempt to convince the Iranian people that America is serious about
empowering them and creating opportunities for the Iranian people. We
talked about each of those things today.
QUESTION: Thank you.
MR PALLADINO: Let’s go to Tracy.
QUESTION: Hi, yes. Did you come away from your meeting with the
crown prince reassured or convinced or more optimistic that they’re
really going to get to the bottom of the Khashoggi case? Any kind of
assurances? Any kind of change?
SECRETARY POMPEO: No change. They’ve provided assurances since the beginning.
QUESTION: So nothing has changed? It’s the same line?
SECRETARY POMPEO: They still are working through their
fact-finding process. You should know that the United States continues
to work through its fact-finding process as well. That is, our efforts
to uncover the facts surrounding this. And then, consistent with the
President’s commitment to hold everyone accountable, we continue inside
the United States Government to do that as well.
MR PALLADINO: Let’s go to Matt.
QUESTION: Are you leaving satisfied —
MR PALLADINO: Matt. Matt.
QUESTION: To follow up on that —
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary —
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yes.
MR PALLADINO: Matt. Go ahead, Matt.
QUESTION: — The Washington Post reported that no detailed
records exist within the U.S. Government of President Trump’s meetings
with Vladimir Putin. Is that true?
SECRETARY POMPEO: I’ll leave that to the White House. These were presidential conversations. I’ll —
MR PALLADINO: Let’s go to Edward.
SECRETARY POMPEO: — let the White House respond to that.
MR PALLADINO: Edward.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, two questions. One is: How do you
reconcile your calling for full accountability with the CIA’s
assessment, which they’ve already made, that the crown prince himself
ordered the killing? That’s the first question.
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yeah.
QUESTION: The second one is: What are the specific policy tools
you want these countries to exercise in regard to these Iranian-backed
militias? Like, are you implying that they should put their own forces
in the field or are there other policy tools that you’re (inaudible)?
SECRETARY POMPEO: So, first one first: I don’t talk about CIA
assessments. Second one: All of the tools that independent nations
exercise to attain their independence and sovereignty, we are hopeful we
can collectively – the United States certainly, but countries
throughout the Middle East – I spoke with King Abdullah about this; I
spoke with – I spoke with President Sisi about this. Each of those
countries – I spoke – I spoke with the Emiratis about this. Each of
those countries wants to do what it can to build out that independent,
sovereign Iraq, to help their government get on its feet and have the
Iraqi independence that we’ve been working on, the United States has
been working on for now decades. And so all the tools available with
regard to their security forces, yes, we want those security forces to
be in the control of the Iraqi Government and we want them to have full
control over all of their security forces, just in the same way we
expect that of every sovereign nation.
QUESTION: But the question is more about the militias throughout – the Iranian-backed militias throughout the region.
SECRETARY POMPEO: Throughout the – that’s the region. (Laughter.)
QUESTION: You – but you talked specifically about Iraq.
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yes, that’s certainly the region, but we have – sure, you have Iranian-backed forces in —
QUESTION: Syria.
SECRETARY POMPEO: — in Syria, you have them in Lebanon, you have
them in Yemen. It’s a five-capital strategy, right? This has been the –
this is the history of Iran’s efforts: five capitals. And our effort is
to make sure that the Iranian people get control of their capital and
that it becomes a nation that is normal and isn’t conducting terror
campaigns that are unrivaled anyplace else in the world.
MR PALLADINO: Francesco.
QUESTION: With the Khashoggi murder, there was a lot of talk back
in D.C. – back in D.C. about, most broadly, the behavior of the crown
prince. Do you share the view that his behavior can be a concern for the
relation with the United States? Did you ask him to change his
behavior, that there might be something around that?
SECRETARY POMPEO: So the United States relationship is with the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. That’s who – that’s who our partner is; that’s
who our strategically shared interest is with. So I had – I spoke with
the ruler in Saudi Arabia, the king, and the crown prince, and the
foreign minister, and we spoke about a wide range of issues. And where
we’re working closely together and being successful we want to redouble
our efforts, and where friends think the other one is falling short I
was very clear and candid about those things where America is not
satisfied, where they’re not meeting our expectations. And they – and
they appreciate that.
By the way, you should know they shared places they think America may
not be doing everything. I mean, this is – this is how friends engage.
You have conversations where you’re not always exactly in the same
place, and each tries to ensure that the other understands their
position and why it is they’re there, and then you do your best to move
forward together.
MR PALLADINO: Conor.
QUESTION: I essentially had the same question, Mr. Secretary.
There are a lot of different areas where people think that the crown
prince has extended the kingdom too far – in Yemen; the episode with
Saad Hariri from Lebanon. He will be around for a long time as a young
man and a leader in this kingdom. Do you think that he needs to be
chastened at all on his behavior?
SECRETARY POMPEO: I’ll – I don’t even know where to begin to
respond to a question like that. Remember what the United States has; it
has a deep, longstanding relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
And so its leaders are going to act for – in their country’s interest.
That’s their obligation, the same way mine is to act in America’s best
interests. And so we shared with them places we think that the kingdom
isn’t doing what it is we wish that they would do. And when they’re
doing the things we’re – that make good sense for partners and friends,
we were – we tell them about that and we redouble our efforts there.
MR PALLADINO: Two more questions.
SECRETARY POMPEO: It’s the ninth – about the ninth question
that’s been the same question, so if there’s – if there’s anything
anybody else might like to talk about, I’m —
QUESTION: I have a very different – I have a very different one.
MR PALLADINO: Let’s go to Courtney.
SECRETARY POMPEO: — I’m happy to take a shot at something a
little bit different, perhaps. It’s been a very productive trip and
we’ve talked about lots of really important things, and we ought to talk
about those here this afternoon.
QUESTION: A different question. Mr. Secretary, how did – how did
the Saudi leaders react to your comments in Doha yesterday talking about
trying to resolve the Gulf dispute and the – and improving the
prospects for (inaudible)?
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yeah, I had – yeah, actually we spent more time
talking about the remarks in Cairo, which they thought were well placed
and consistent with both America’s policy and what it is they hope
we’ll continue to do. That is, they think we have the right
understanding of the challenges that are here in the Middle East, that
this administration does. But we did talk about how we might put the
Gulf back in a better place. I think they’d like to see that too. It’s a
matter of us all figuring out how to do it together, but mostly, those
countries figuring out how they can put it back together. We’ll —
QUESTION: How —
SECRETARY POMPEO: We can certainly – we can certainly provide
assistance and support, but at the end of the day, those countries have
to get back together. My conversation with them was to share places
where it diminishes our capacity to all work together, and I, for that
reason, have a keen interest and America has a keen interest in putting
those countries back in a better place together.
MR PALLADINO: Lesley, go ahead.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, first of all, condolences. I’m sorry for your loss.
SECRETARY POMPEO: Thank you very much.
QUESTION: (Inaudible.) Second of all, I just want to be clear
about the President’s tweet and how it’s affected the relationship with
Turkey given that the lira has been very hard-hit today. Do you think
that, in any way, this could compromise your plans for a withdrawal and
that Turkey would continue to go ahead with this plan for it to step in?
SECRETARY POMPEO: It’s a fair question. So I haven’t had a chance
to have any conversations with the Turks as of yet, since the
President’s tweets went out, but I will. I’m sure I’ll talk to them
before too long. I don’t think it changes the President’s decision for
our 2,000 uniformed personnel to depart Syria. I don’t think it’ll
change that. I think in some ways it sets – it just demarks the
importance that we place on this, the importance that we – we want a
secured border for all of the parties, not even just the Turks and the
Kurds; there are Arabs, there are Christians in the region that we want –
we want that to be a place where there isn’t violence as there’s been
over these past years. We want – and a good part of that region, there
are still – depending on how you define the region, there are still
millions of displaced persons in that region too. We want to take that
violence level down so that we can begin to return the displaced persons
to that region as well. I actually think the President’s remarks are
pretty clear about what America hopes to achieve in these conversations
with all of the parties, the Turks certainly included amongst them.
MR PALLADINO: Last question, Michele.
QUESTION: Yeah. When you talked in Cairo about rejecting false
overtures from enemies, which I assume is Iran, does that rule out the
possibility of humanitarian dialogue about prisoners? There’s a new –
another American that we’ve learned of since you’ve been on this trip.
And then, real quickly, did you raise the April Corley case in Egypt?
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yes on the April Corley case, and with respect
to conversations about prisoners, there are few things that occupy more
of my mind than getting Americans back from everyplace, and the Iranian
regime has been particularly brutal with respect to the unlawful
detention of Americans. I mean, Bob Levinson goes back now years. I
don’t want to say more than to say that we are very focused. We have the
whole team, certainly at the State Department but across the entire
United States Government, that night and day tirelessly is working to
return Americans wherever they’re wrongfully detained. And that
certainly includes folks that are held inside the Islamic Republic of
Iran as well. I’ll take one – I’ll take one more.
QUESTION: Can Oman be helpful on that?
SECRETARY POMPEO: Yes, they have – they have – Oman has
historically been helpful on that. I’m sure this will be part of my
conversation in what I guess is now my final stop. So, yeah.
Anyway, all right. Well, thank you all very much. Thanks. Thanks for your time.
MR PALLADINO: Okay, thank you, all. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
QUESTION: Thank you.